http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/03/18/between-the-saying-and-the-said-speaking-like-children/ Current Blog Project: Six Months With a Quaker Preacher Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:08:14 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/03/18/between-the-saying-and-the-said-speaking-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-70015 C. Wess Daniels Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:47:25 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/?p=929#comment-70015 Jamie, You're right. Rollins and others are using some psychoanalysis to get these questions in a new light. I think that's what he has done here. I don't really know anything about Levinas either, but I do agree with Rollins point (I think) that even if the said isn't correct it is in the saying there a connection can be made. I don't know how far out we can take this, but his point about the infant speech is what I connected with. I do see how his point works there. But beyond that I'd fall in line with you on Wittgenstein and JL Austin (what I know of them anyways). Jamie, You’re right. Rollins and others are using some psychoanalysis to get these questions in a new light. I think that’s what he has done here. I don’t really know anything about Levinas either, but I do agree with Rollins point (I think) that even if the said isn’t correct it is in the saying there a connection can be made. I don’t know how far out we can take this, but his point about the infant speech is what I connected with. I do see how his point works there. But beyond that I’d fall in line with you on Wittgenstein and JL Austin (what I know of them anyways).

]]> http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/03/18/between-the-saying-and-the-said-speaking-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-70013 jamie Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:32:14 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/?p=929#comment-70013 i'm not sure i totally understand rollins (or levinas) on this point, but it seems like an overly psychological view of speech, as if there were something "under" the words themselves, rather than the words enacting that something. i guess i prefer speech-act theory here, the idea that all our sentences do something. that "something" neither is tied to a flat propositionalism, nor does it see words as mere shells for psychological states. i’m not sure i totally understand rollins (or levinas) on this point, but it seems like an overly psychological view of speech, as if there were something “under” the words themselves, rather than the words enacting that something. i guess i prefer speech-act theory here, the idea that all our sentences do something. that “something” neither is tied to a flat propositionalism, nor does it see words as mere shells for psychological states.

]]> http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/03/18/between-the-saying-and-the-said-speaking-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-70010 Danny Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:18:09 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/?p=929#comment-70010 I am not that familiar with Quaker theology. Sorry. I am not that familiar with Quaker theology. Sorry.

]]> http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/03/18/between-the-saying-and-the-said-speaking-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-70007 C. Wess Daniels Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:18:51 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/?p=929#comment-70007 Hi Danny - thanks for the comment. Is your understanding of "divine light" similar to Quaker's "inward light?" Hi Danny – thanks for the comment. Is your understanding of “divine light” similar to Quaker’s “inward light?”

]]> http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/03/18/between-the-saying-and-the-said-speaking-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-69996 Danny Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:47:10 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/?p=929#comment-69996 This is a really interesting way at looking at the relationship between Jesus and his followers. It is almost like he really just wants to have a conversation with us. I think in maturity, however, the Spirit brings what I refer to as the "divine light" so that we can come to understand (at least in part) the divine communion between Father and Son that is made possible by the connection of the Spirit. When we are caught up into the radical community of the Trinity we see how we really were made for communication with one another at the most basic and primary level. This is a really interesting way at looking at the relationship between Jesus and his followers. It is almost like he really just wants to have a conversation with us. I think in maturity, however, the Spirit brings what I refer to as the “divine light” so that we can come to understand (at least in part) the divine communion between Father and Son that is made possible by the connection of the Spirit. When we are caught up into the radical community of the Trinity we see how we really were made for communication with one another at the most basic and primary level.

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