Comments on: Loving Ourselves To Death? A Theological Reflection of Jesus, Self-Love and Modernity http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/ Current Blog Project: Six Months With a Quaker Preacher Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:46:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: A Year With Gathering In Light 2007 http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/comment-page-1/#comment-65888 A Year With Gathering In Light 2007 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:06:32 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/#comment-65888 [...] Loving Ourselves To Death? A Theological Reflection of Jesus, Self-Love and Modernity [...] [...] Loving Ourselves To Death? A Theological Reflection of Jesus, Self-Love and Modernity [...]

]]> By: jez http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/comment-page-1/#comment-25998 jez Thu, 10 May 2007 14:53:25 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/#comment-25998 Type your comment here. I began to be with you in understanding just as soon as i hit 'submit comment,' particularly with the spiral/circle theme. Type your comment here.
I began to be with you in understanding just as soon as i hit ’submit comment,’ particularly with the spiral/circle theme.

]]> By: C. Wess Daniels http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/comment-page-1/#comment-25994 C. Wess Daniels Thu, 10 May 2007 13:48:20 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/#comment-25994 Jez, "When I learned to love myself, I learned from seeing how others loved each others and themselves and I learned from my own experience." The problem is that it's saying one comes before the other - either way, whether we lean towards the inward or the outward. Maybe It's too strong to say "there is no room" but, as soon as we put one before the other then we ignore the fact that real life doesn't work out to be that neat. Saying we learn from others is certainly - learning outwardly and gives us language for framing what we mean by "loving ourselves" - but if we say the only way we can learn is through outward experience, that excludes any kind of chemical, emotional, spiritual changes or challenges that influence the way we perceive and make sense of the outward. We could trace similar issues the other way around. The point is to not put one ahead of the other, or try and stack premises upon each other, but see in more of a circle or web of theory - everything in interrelated. Jez,
“When I learned to love myself, I learned from seeing how others loved each others and themselves and I learned from my own experience.”

The problem is that it’s saying one comes before the other – either way, whether we lean towards the inward or the outward. Maybe It’s too strong to say “there is no room” but, as soon as we put one before the other then we ignore the fact that real life doesn’t work out to be that neat.

Saying we learn from others is certainly – learning outwardly and gives us language for framing what we mean by “loving ourselves” – but if we say the only way we can learn is through outward experience, that excludes any kind of chemical, emotional, spiritual changes or challenges that influence the way we perceive and make sense of the outward. We could trace similar issues the other way around.

The point is to not put one ahead of the other, or try and stack premises upon each other, but see in more of a circle or web of theory – everything in interrelated.

]]> By: jez http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/comment-page-1/#comment-25988 jez Thu, 10 May 2007 12:52:35 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/#comment-25988 "In this dualistic perspective the inward comes before the outward and there is no room for a circular interplay between the two." Why is there no room for a circular interplay between the two? When I learned to love myself, I learned from seeing how others loved each others and themselves and I learned from my own experience. i think. “In this dualistic perspective the inward comes before the outward and there is no room for a circular interplay between the two.”

Why is there no room for a circular interplay between the two? When I learned to love myself, I learned from seeing how others loved each others and themselves and I learned from my own experience.

i think.

]]> By: C. Wess Daniels http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/comment-page-1/#comment-25884 C. Wess Daniels Wed, 09 May 2007 06:07:28 +0000 http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/05/07/loving-ourselves-to-death-a-theological-reflection-of-jesus-self-love-and-modernity/#comment-25884 @Chris - "Yes, yes! Crackers, I think he’s got it" I don't think I've ever heard this expression but I somehow it easily communicates what you're saying! haha...thanks for your enthusiasm. @AJ - I've never read Mulholland, which work are you referring too? It sounds good. And if you've got some ideas, you should write them out, I personally would love to see your perspective on this. "So we’re trying to figure out who our neighbors are. Well, who were Christ’s neighbors? He’s the person who was the example for us on Kingdom living. But technically he was somewhat homeless, yes? . . .so a homeless guy is telling us to love our neighbors — " hmmm....interesting. Who were Jesus' neighbors? Or is that besides the point? @Chris – “Yes, yes! Crackers, I think he’s got it” I don’t think I’ve ever heard this expression but I somehow it easily communicates what you’re saying! haha…thanks for your enthusiasm.

@AJ – I’ve never read Mulholland, which work are you referring too? It sounds good. And if you’ve got some ideas, you should write them out, I personally would love to see your perspective on this.

“So we’re trying to figure out who our neighbors are. Well, who were Christ’s neighbors? He’s the person who was the example for us on Kingdom living. But technically he was somewhat homeless, yes? . . .so a homeless guy is telling us to love our neighbors — ”

hmmm….interesting. Who were Jesus’ neighbors? Or is that besides the point?

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